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The Atkins Diet is a pile of dangerous pseudo-science. Not that this comes as a surprise, but here's the word from Dr Susan Jebb of the Medical Research Council's Human Nutrition Research Centre.

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Update: Post made friends-only. Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] babysimon for pointing out that [livejournal.com profile] vampwillow had invited people in [livejournal.com profile] atkins_uk to join the thread, resulting in some incredibly lunatic contributions. Update: Public again.

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Date: 2003-08-15 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-mass.livejournal.com
i haven't made any arguments relating to good/bad properties of Atkins here at all. i shall freely admit that i haven't studied anything about it at all. but from many of the comments here, some followers of the Atkins diet don't seem willing to accept that there is an established method by which it could work (i.e., eating less, specifically eating less calories, and in general thinking a lot more than someone not on a diet about what you're eating), and prefer to ascribe to various theories which seem to have an almost magical property. i prefer to take the more respected, established and widespread view, than the need to believe in something which i don't understand.

So you haven’t studied any of what is written, yet you feel free to comment based on zero research. Ok, what a good scientist you are. No really! You sound just like various scientists especially right now the evolutionary ** specify field** scientists - the blind assumption that if their accepted theories about reality, work in their own little clique then they must work for everywhere else. Even though they have made no attempt to understand the issues in that area, and they simply don’t recognise that their original theories are just interpretations of data not hard fact. Hey I used to be like that too – until I did a whole lot of studying – been reading new scientist since I was 10 that sort of thing.

So again you make this magnificent assumption “some followers of the Atkins diet don't seem willing to accept that there is an established method by which it could work” er yes some people don’t want to read what Atkins has actually said in his text i.e. that we lose fat by eating less calories – the point is that fat satiates you – hence you eat less calories and get thinner – for backup to this try reading last weeks new scientist, dated 9th august. There is no magic about Atkins – try reading the book yourself rather than going on hearsay. “i prefer to take the more respected, established and widespread view, than the need to believe in something which i don't understand”. So you would rather remain the dark, not do any research about the subject area, then spout ill informed guess work based on hearsay. Sorry I’ll rephrase that, you would rather accept at face value what you have been told – because what the establishment says has to be right, just like the Christian establishment was so right when commenting about evolution for instance, and then quote people who haven’t done any research on Atkins but are quoting irrelevant research done on unrepresentative groups who aren’t following an Atkins diet in the first place. Good for you, any time you want plugs for your nose or even some light do ask for them.

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Date: 2003-08-15 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tempaccount99
once again i shall make the point that i neither know nor care about the atkins diet, and have no desire to do any reasearch on it, and i never made any claims as to the good or bad properties of it. it certainly "works", and so do many other diets. i'm not defending or attacking it, and nowhere have i done so. and yet even without attacking it, you continue to defend it. you're preaching to the wrong person by talking to me - i have no reason to study multitudes of differing nurishment schemes, as i wouldn't have time to do anything else if i did. my own mix of what i want to eat and a decent amount of exercise works just fine for me at keeping me happy, healthy and sane.

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Date: 2003-08-15 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-mass.livejournal.com
I'm not preaching to you, I'm objecting to you continued assertion that I and others are closed minded for doing atkins, and that we preach about it. We get preached about low fat diets everyday and in everyway - yet because we stand up and object that's wrong

Its basically like being queer by standing up and actually saying hey this is a good thing we are acussed of stuffing it in people faces and being unthinking mystics - when its you who are being the unthinking group. you accuse me of not having open mind yet its your mind that is closed!

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Date: 2003-08-15 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tempaccount99
but you have been preaching to me, you have been trying to convince me that it's a rational way of life. i never asked anything about that, i never denied anything about that.

i'm happy to accept that you can do what you like, and i haven't been telling you that you're wrong for doing so, and i haven't been shoving alternatives down your throat.

what you have been doing, is continuing to quote so called research and evidence to back up your spurious claims. i don't need that. i'm happy to believe that the "atkins diet" is a diet.

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