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WARNING: Comments counter to the policy at the end of this post will be removed.

I've now handed over the contracts; I'm Cryonics Institute member #1039. My next step is going to be to help other people who've expressed an interest to sign up. From those of you who don't consider signing up advisable, I'd like your recommendations on what you'd want them to read before they sign on the dotted line. I've asked something similar before.

If someone were to ask me this about Scientology, I'd point them to Operation Clambake. For homeopathy I'd go to 1023. For global warming, I might start with the New Scientist guide. But as best I can tell, there doesn't seem to be a similar resource for cryonics. Some have tried to argue that writing such a thing is impossible, that cryonics is simply too vague to coherently attack, but it frankly seems a bit of a stretch to say that of all the wrong ideas in history, cryonics is unique in that nothing useful can actually be written in opposition to it, despite the volumes written in favour that are ripe for attack (eg this); if there's enough to convince someone, there must surely be enough to challenge that conviction. Others say that there are simply bigger skeptical fish to fry, and that may be so, but given all the anger that seems to pour out when this topic comes up, it's a shame that so little of that energy goes into doing what would be most useful to challenge it.

However, I may be wrong about this; you may know of something I haven't found yet, or you may feel that an existing resource -- perhaps the RationalWiki article, or something else -- is better than I give it credit for. Either way, I welcome your links here, and when I'm talking to someone about signing up I'll be sure and direct them to read this post before they do.

Remember, you're not writing to address me; you're writing to address the people I'm going to point this article out to.

COMMENT POLICY: What I'm not interested in is direct discussion here of whether or not cryonics is advisable. It seems like every post that touches on cryonics gets used as a general discussion forum for anything and everything people think that relates to the subject, but I've had lots of discussions like that already both in this journal and elsewhere, and in this post, I'd like to keep some focus. This post is not for the argument - it's for the argument about the argument. Comments that insist on directly discussing the advisability of cryonics, without explicit linked reference to articles specifically about cryonics elsewhere, will be screened so that no-one but me and the commenter can see them. If you feel you have to make some direct argument, please post about it in your own journal and post a link here.
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I may not reply to everything in that 159-comment thread but thanks to everyone who participated. I hope people don't mind if I carry on asking for your help in thinking about this. I might post articles on specific areas people raised, but first I thought to ask this: my Google-fu may be failing me. I'd appreciate any links anyone can find to good articles arguing against signing up for cryonics, or pointing out flaws in arguments made for cryosuspension. I don't mean South Park, thanks :-) I'm looking for something that really intends to be persuasive.

thanks again!

Update: here's some I've found If you find any of these articles at all convincing, let me know and I'll point out the problems with them. Update: while I am definitely interested in continuing to read your arguments, I'm really really keen to know about anyone anywhere on the Internet who seems well-informed on the subject and writes arguing against it. Such people seem to be strikingly few and far between, especially on the specific question of the plausibility of recovery. There's a hypothesis here on why that might be, but I'm not sure it's enough to wholly account for it.


Jan. 21st, 2010 09:29 am
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I'm considering signing up with the Cryonics Institute. Are you signed up? I'd be interested to hear your reasons why or why not. It does of course sound crazy, but when you press past that initial reaction to find out why it's crazy, I haven't heard a really satisfactory argument yet, and I'm interested to hear what people think. There are many reasons it might not work, but are there reasons to think it's really unlikely to work? How likely does recovery need to be for it to be worth it?


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