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Clarification: By "smart" I mean general smarts: the sort of smarts that allow you to do things like pass a Turing test or solve open problems in nanotechnology. Obviously computers are ahead of humans in narrow domains like playing chess.

NB: your guess as to what will happen should also be one of your guesses about what might happen - thanks! This applies to [livejournal.com profile] wriggler, [livejournal.com profile] ablueskyboy, [livejournal.com profile] thekumquat, [livejournal.com profile] redcountess, [livejournal.com profile] thehalibutkid, [livejournal.com profile] henry_the_cow and [livejournal.com profile] cillygirl. If you tick only one option (which is not the last) in the first poll, it means you think it's the only possible outcome.

[Poll #1103617]

And of course, I'm fascinated to know why you make those guesses. In particular - I'm surprised how many people think it's likely that machines as smart as humans might emerge while nothing smarter comes of it, and I'd love to hear more about that position.

Date: 2007-12-10 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
Even if it were only as smart as us in some deep sense, it might still think a million times faster than we do, and thus give any question a lifetime of thought in half an hour, and that would be a pretty substantial change.

Date: 2007-12-10 01:05 pm (UTC)
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It might. But intelligent thought might well require interaction with the real world, and it may not be possible to speed up how quickly that happens in any useful way.

See also 'control systems engineering: how to make a system unstable by making it too sensitive to small changes, and too fast to respond'. ;-)

Date: 2007-12-10 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
Well, all right, but it might still have a useful thing or two to say once it's read every scientific paper and every book ever published.

(moved to correct comment, sorry!)

Date: 2007-12-10 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com
This thought inspired me to do something silly.

Date: 2007-12-10 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com
Even if it were only as smart as us in some deep sense, it might still think a million times faster than we do, and thus give any question a lifetime of thought in half an hour, and that would be a pretty substantial change.

Oh, absolutely - but I'd argue that for pretty much any sensible definition of "smart" the thinking speed is a key factor, so what you're talking about there is unequivocally machines being smarter than us. Not for nothing are "quick" and "slow" used to connote levels of intelligence.

Date: 2007-12-10 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
I would nonetheless say that there's a good chance of machines being outrageously vastly smarter than us in a deeper way than merely being able to think very much faster or remember a lot more.

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