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Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] akicif for the heads-up, propogating this one because it's important and fucking scary.
A headline (Government sweeps aside privacy rights) and a leader (British Liberty, RIP) from today's Guardian. It's not just the Police, Intelligence services, and the tax authorities who can get at anyone's telephone and internet communications data without a warrant or court order, but seven Whitehall departments, every local authority in the country, NHS bodies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and 11 other public bodies ranging from the postal services commission to the food standards agency....

But it seems it's all necessary to continue the War on Terrorism. So that's all right, then.
Unchanged from [livejournal.com profile] akicif's text because I can't improve on how he put it! See also "'Snoop' plans raise privacy fears" (BBC News)

Update and, following [livejournal.com profile] wechsler's example, here's my PGP public key.

Date: 2002-06-11 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wechsler.livejournal.com
Remind me to check your journal in the 30 seconds before i updat emine next time ;)

Date: 2002-06-11 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
Actually I lifted the BBC story from you after I posted. I tend not to mark things "updated" if I changed them only a few minutes after posting; my posts tend to go through incremental improvement...

Date: 2002-06-11 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wechsler.livejournal.com
I meant the theme, rather than the specific story; BTW, the PGP key I have from you appears to be unsigned and from an outdated email address.

Do you ever get the feeling than in privacy and rights (and for that matter transport/enviro) campaigning, we're doing nothing but fighting a rearguard action?

Date: 2002-06-11 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
I'll do a separate entry about the failings of even PGP-style PKI in a bit.

I'm not sure we're even doing that. They say "we're going to sweep away these of your rights", we say "no, don't", and then they do it. I have no idea how to push these things back.

I should certainly be using PGP more though.

Date: 2002-06-11 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhg.livejournal.com
Well, quite.

It seems that the only way to 'regain' our rights and freedoms is to devote our lives to doing so.

Voting once every five years between two parties who agree on 99% of all of this will not be any help at all!

Perhaps we should start a new political party. Or should we infiltrate an existing one and bend it to our will?

Yes, that's it. We split into two main groups. Half join Labour, and half join Conservative. In each, we turn all the factions against each other, thus clearing the way for our SLAVE ARMY OF MUTANT CYBORGS to TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!

Then we can restore all the freedoms we want to...


J

Date: 2002-06-11 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skx.livejournal.com

I'd be happy to sign your key if you like - I have your fingerprint in my pocket..

Date: 2002-06-11 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
Well, despite going on about the failings of key signing in another LJ, I can't actually think of a reason to say "no", so, yes please!

Date: 2002-06-11 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skx.livejournal.com

{Signed and mailed}

Date: 2002-06-11 06:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] miramon came up with the suggestion of using Fax Your MP and recommends that as many folk in the UK as possible do the same. He goes on to suggest a next step of trying to find a political party, any political party at all, that's opposed to this nonsense and offer to help out.

Date: 2002-06-11 02:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lovingboth
Lib Dems I should bloody well hope. It may be worth pointing out the business problems this will cause to the Tories.

Is this sort of thing devolved in Scotland?

Date: 2002-06-11 03:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com
I don't know, to be honest, but as it talks about NHS bodies in Scotland and Norn Iron, I suspect it's not a devolved issue. Which means we're looking at the Lib Dems or no-one, really (I can't see a single issue party getting off the ground on this, somehow). At least if it was a devolved matter we'd have the extra choices of Liberals, Scottish Socialist Alliance or Scot Nats.

Still, Lib Dems are probably to the left of New Labour and more libertarian (in the small 'l' sense, not the barking large 'L' sense).

And we can't even rely on Europe to protect us from this one as the European Parliament did something similar a few weeks back. Don't these eejits realise they're digging a pit for themselves, too?

Date: 2002-06-11 02:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lovingboth
Surely Patricia Hewitt, a former general secretary of Liberty, is one who would want to assert the importance of a robust right to privacy?

One of the two authors of the letter to then Labour leader Neil Kinnock saying that being nice to queers frightened off voters, wasn't she?

The fire service can already knock down your house if they feel like it, I really don't see why anyone thinks they should be able to get someone's web browsing habits. I can only imagine it's in there to be removed later as a concession.

If I used an 0845 number to call my co-located PCs, I could be my ISP. Hmmm, I must see if I can become a broadband reseller.

Date: 2002-06-11 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
well, well well yes but the fire service are generally nice and don't have any reason to knock down your house, and have houses of their own that it would be possible to knock down also, making it generally not an advantageous thing for them to do.

Date: 2002-06-11 02:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adjectivegail
But it seems it's all necessary to continue the War on Terrorism. So that's all right, then.
*grin* i love the fact that the Guardian's article says it's to help fight the war on terrorism, and the BBC's one says "Officials say the moves are not a reaction to the US terror attacks."

Date: 2002-06-11 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giolla.livejournal.com
Random points:
Time to make sure as much traffic as possible is encrypted at the transport layer as well.

Don't forget to support your local anonymous e-mail/proxy service.

Any idea if crowds is still operational?

I wonder if the public lynx clients will see increased usage.

Date: 2002-06-11 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wechsler.livejournal.com
I'll assume that that's the sort of "Crowds" that aren't illegal under the CJA then?

Date: 2002-06-11 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giolla.livejournal.com
Crowds was/is a peer-to-peer anonymising proxy service.
It bounced http requests around between other crowds users before spitting it out somewhere random.

Date: 2002-06-11 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jinxremoving.livejournal.com
*sighhh*

the CJA was my first demonstration! i suspect things have been going steadily downhill since then ...

Date: 2002-06-12 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giolla.livejournal.com
coo it's still there:
http://www.research.att.com/projects/crowds/ (http://www.research.att.com/projects/crowds/)
Looks as though it may be languishing somewhat mind.

Date: 2002-06-11 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
Yeah, we should be using FreeS/WAN opportunistic encryption...

What sort of encrypted connections to the lynx clients are available? ssh? ssl-telnet?

Date: 2002-06-11 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giolla.livejournal.com
And make sure our mail servers etc. all support TLS.
A not for profit open source CA would be quite useful as well, with as little information kept as possible.

Lynx clients, as far as I know only exist via normal telnet.
Should be fairly easy to improve that though, and anyway unlike mail and web etc. I don't know of any ISP that monitors and logs people's telnet activities.

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