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Instead of looking forward to Christmas, it is a spirit of inquiry as to how far we can go at Christmas. We are asking whether we dare, as Christians in a Christian land, whisper the Name that gives Christmas its meaning. That is, the Christians are doing the Christmas asking early this year. Christian teachers want to know if they will be discharged if they give their classes a bit of Christmas flavor, as all our teachers gave us when we were young. The contrast between the schools which we of the mature generation attended when we were young, and the schools of today whose pupils are carefully screened from the fact that Christmas celebrates Christ, is such a contrast as ought to give mature Americans a pause.
Henry Ford, 1920 (propogated from ebonmuse)

Date: 2008-12-24 09:07 pm (UTC)
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There are more than these four answers. I, for example, treat Christmas as a midwinter community holiday that everyone can participate in, whether or not you particularly care about the religious elements.

Pavlos's two options of "religious significance" or "meaningless commercial fete" omit the more general community aspect of the holiday. Maybe he feels excluded from that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Date: 2008-12-25 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pavlos.livejournal.com
What community though? I understand "community" as a group that you can be in or out of, and in that respect Christmas is a religious festival of the Christian community. As another example the Chinese New year is a festival of the Chinese community and i don't know if it's best described as secular or religious. I don't feel a member of either community, so I can only appreciate these festivals as a guest, or find them annoying.

There are indeed some midwinter activities that are secular and open and give a feeling of community, such as putting up an amusement fair and an ice rink alongside a german market. They literally give out warmth and light in the dark days of winter. However I don't know how to place that semantically: Is it a benign aspect of commercial Christmas? Are we pretending to be a community of German townsfolk? Is it a civic good that the city council provides? I think the latter qualifies as a good interpretation of a community holiday, so I agree in that respect.

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