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In a discussion about religion in [livejournal.com profile] wildeabandon's journal, [livejournal.com profile] meihua writes: "this seems to have turned into me interrogating you. [...] Is there anything you'd like to challenge me on, instead?"

I think it's only fair enough to open up my own beliefs to the challenges of others, since I'm always keen to respond when theists invite me to give my perspective on some aspect of their beliefs as [livejournal.com profile] wildeabandon has in a series of recent posts. So, is there anything you'd like me to respond to?

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Date: 2008-08-03 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keirf.livejournal.com
As an atheist I assume that you believe the universe emerged without any conscious intention behind it. What's your take on consciousness, and determinism versus free will?

Date: 2008-08-03 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
I'm pretty much a determinist, modulo quantum mechanics which doesn't really change the philosophy here. I am pretty much persuaded by the account of consciousness provided by Consciousness Explained.

I made quite a few comments here on my beliefs re determinism and free will...
Edited Date: 2008-08-03 11:58 am (UTC)

Consciousness Explained (away?)

Date: 2008-08-04 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhg.livejournal.com
Really?

While it has much to recommend it (I was particularly impressed by the repudiation of the perfect access we were presumed, historically, to have to our own thoughts)Dennett's position is pretty extreme.

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