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Clarification: By "smart" I mean general smarts: the sort of smarts that allow you to do things like pass a Turing test or solve open problems in nanotechnology. Obviously computers are ahead of humans in narrow domains like playing chess.

NB: your guess as to what will happen should also be one of your guesses about what might happen - thanks! This applies to [livejournal.com profile] wriggler, [livejournal.com profile] ablueskyboy, [livejournal.com profile] thekumquat, [livejournal.com profile] redcountess, [livejournal.com profile] thehalibutkid, [livejournal.com profile] henry_the_cow and [livejournal.com profile] cillygirl. If you tick only one option (which is not the last) in the first poll, it means you think it's the only possible outcome.

[Poll #1103617]

And of course, I'm fascinated to know why you make those guesses. In particular - I'm surprised how many people think it's likely that machines as smart as humans might emerge while nothing smarter comes of it, and I'd love to hear more about that position.

Date: 2007-12-10 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] itsjustaname.livejournal.com
Are you assuming a static level of human intelligence?

For that matter, how do you fully separate the two? If Google is smarter than me, but I'm smart enough to use Google, does that make me smarter than before?

Separation anxiety.

Date: 2007-12-10 01:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aegidian
Blow Google, we're smart enough to create pocket calculators, orreries, and sharpened stone tools. And yes, since the tools assist us in performing the same tasks more efficiently, they do make us smarter.

We have machine aided smarts, which brings an interesting problem in demarkation - the tool is not smart, we have the smarts. How complex does a tool have to be for it to be considered separately smart from its user(s)?

Re: Separation anxiety.

Date: 2007-12-10 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keirf.livejournal.com
Is an army merely the extension of its general?

Re: Separation anxiety.

Date: 2007-12-10 02:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aegidian
In terms of the efficiency gain in achieving the General's (or the General's superiors') goals - yes.

Re: Separation anxiety.

Date: 2007-12-10 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] itsjustaname.livejournal.com
I was using Google as an example because someone else did earlier, but it was general tool-use that I was thinking of.

Date: 2007-12-10 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] topbit.livejournal.com
Joe Bloggs being able to use Google to get better answers is also a pretty decent example of a feedback loop.

1/ Someone creates Google,
2/ you use Google to get better information
3/ with better information, or access to it, someone creates a better tool
4/ which someone else uses to create a better tool
et al

As one tool makes the next easier and faster to make, the loop accelerates

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