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Jonathan Ross says I've only just seen this - perhaps everyone else has already been talking about it and I missed it?

QI, BBC4, 10 Nov 2006, about half-way in:
Jonathan Ross: Can I tell you about Wonder Woman? Wonder Woman's creator was William Moulton Marston ...

Stephen Fry: Absolutely.

Ross: ... who wrote under the pen-name of Charles Moulton, and who was in a polygamous and indeed polyamorous relationship with the woman who co-created Wonder Woman, and another lezzer on the side.

Fry: Absolutely right! *applause* Yep!

Fry: You're right, he married his wife Elizabeth, 22 years of age, and then carried on this affair with Olive.

Ross: And I think they moved in together, didn't they?

Fry: They all moved in together, he had two children by each, and then when he died, Olive and Elizabeth stayed together right up until the death of Olive in the eighties.

Ross: I think it's rather a beautiful story.

Fry: It is a lovely story.
I think that's some of the most positive media coverage I think we've ever had!

It's repeated tomorrow (Friday 17) at 10pm on BBC1.

Date: 2006-11-17 12:14 pm (UTC)
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The only thing about it that makes me grumpy is the "lezzer" bit. Not only is the word 'bisexual' once again avoided (even though it'd make more sense than him describing a woman who had a long-term relationship with a man as a lesbian), but to my ears 'lezzer' just a littel bit derogatory.

I'm trying not to rain on the parade though because overall the matter-of-factness with which the story came out, and the lack of snide comments is a Good Thing.

Date: 2006-11-17 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com
but to my ears 'lezzer' just a littel bit derogatory.
I think that's all part of Ross' reinvention of himself a few years back with less of a comics geek aspect and more of the "tabloid man" ... possibly around the time of Question of Sport with Rory McG. It often seems as if his use of that kind of language is more intentional affectation than intrinsic. Not that that's a good thing, but ...

Date: 2006-11-17 02:41 pm (UTC)
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Not that that's a good thing, but ...
Gods, that just makes it worse! Narrow-minded, ill-educated bigot, not idea but, y'know. Fine. Deliberately choosing to use language like that...!

Gah.

Date: 2006-11-17 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com
Aye. Especially becuase the word "bisexual" seems so much more appropriate. And I doubt whether "tabloid man" is the perceived target audience of QI ...

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