MP3 player

May. 18th, 2004 10:55 am
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[personal profile] ciphergoth
I posted briefly about my MP3 player a while back. I've basically destroyed my entire music collection in the process of trying to back it up, and it brings me down quite a bit.

What happened was that the filesystem somehow became corrupted. I tried various ways of fixing it, but Linux always got stuck part way through analysing it and Windows couldn't see any problems (until it actually tried to use it, that is). So I concluded that the only way forward was to take the hard drive out, connect it directly to the computer, and try and fix it that way, or at least copy all the data I could in order to wipe and re-format the drive.

Except that laptop hard drives (as used in my Archos) aren't as idiot-proof as normal ones. It was at this point that I managed to connect the cable one step along from where it was supposed to be, put power across the data pins, and fritz the drive electronics.

The frustrating thing is that all the data is still there on the hard drive platters; it's just the electronics that's gone. I could try and find another drive of the same model and swap over the circuit board, but finding such a drive would be tricky and possibly expensive for a procedure whose success is far from certain. I could send it to a data recovery firm like Vogon, but they say they might charge up to £750, and that's only if my diagnosis is correct.

Most of the data on the drive is rips of my own CDs and so can be replaced relatively easily. But even then, it's a very time-consuming and error-prone process, and the CDs I've already ripped (ie my favourites) are all in storage. However, it's the rest of the data I'm most bothered about. CDs borrowed from friends, stuff picked up from the Net or from other people's MP3 collections, and other things that will be harder to replace. I *think* that all the non-music data on there is stuff I have copies of elsewhere, but I'm not entirely sure, and even that much doubt is depressing since I'll never know, now.

I'm currently wondering if I should cheer myself up by buying an iRiver iHP-140 and re-ripping all my music as OGG files...

Can I help?

Date: 2004-05-18 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplerabbits.livejournal.com
If you got a new machine could you read AAC files? My collection is a mixture of AAc and MP3

Re: Can I help?

Date: 2004-05-18 03:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lovingboth
It looks like AAC is Apple and that expensive O2 service only.

If you need to change players, I'd find a copy of the AAC-unprotector and convert them.

Re: Can I help?

Date: 2004-05-18 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-meta.livejournal.com
AAC (M4A) is standard MPEG-4, playable by all kinds of things from DVD players to Nokia phones, WinAmp, VLC, etc.

The iTunes Music Store uses M4P, which is MPEG-4 audio with added PlayFair DRM.

Date: 2004-05-18 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bootpunk.livejournal.com
I guess in future you'll always have a HDD or optical back-up of your MP3 music collection? As you say, a lot of the music was stuff that you owned (but is in storage, etc), but some of it is stuff you didn't have backed up. With DVD+-RWs getting so cheap these days, large back-ups are that bit easier to do.

Date: 2004-05-18 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
Optical - that was one of the things that motivated my purchase of a DVD+-RW drive.

Backups ...

Date: 2004-05-18 03:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] autopope.livejournal.com
It's kind of late to suggest this, but a big external backup drive should probably be your first buy, before a new MP3 player. I know that was the idea with the Archos and your hard disk upgrade, but nevertheless the ability to back up your whole MP3 player would be handy.

(Real Soon Now I've got to get a 250Gb drive for the home network. Then I can back up my iPod before it goes the same way ...)

Re: Backups ...

Date: 2004-05-18 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selectnone.livejournal.com
Decent 120Gb drives for £50, I'm thinking of investing myself...

Date: 2004-05-18 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hughe.livejournal.com
same sort of this happened to me. the vast majority of my mp3s were form cd rips on 2 raid0 60 GB disks, one power surge later and i have 2 60gb doorstops. i had to start from scratch (which is probably a good thing as some of the music was 7 years old)

there was a small amount of non replaceable data on there but repair and recovery bills would be about £750. not really worth it.

i now have 2 120gb hard disks rsyncing to eachother every night. mount - rsync - unmount. they are in removable disk caddies and everything is surge protected.

I still need to do dvd backups every now and again though.

Date: 2004-05-18 04:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] babysimon
What happened was that the filesystem somehow became corrupted. I tried various ways of fixing it, but Linux always got stuck part way through analysing it and Windows couldn't see any problems (until it actually tried to use it, that is).

Whenever I've seen this happen it's usually a sign that the drive is irretrievably broken. Err. Sorry not to be more positive.

I really like my iHP-120; the only thing I miss is a dynamic playlist.

Date: 2004-05-18 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
it's usually a sign that the drive is irretrievably broken. - fair enough. I was sometimes able to get some data off it though; there only seemed to be a few problem spots. It's irretrievably dead now though!

What's a dynamic playlist?

Date: 2004-05-18 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovelybug.livejournal.com
I read the dynamic playlist as Simon being down on his music tastes! But I guess it might actually be a geeky thing...

I mourn for your music box too :( But you'll be able to reuse your 'can I come up to your room and steal your MP3 collection' chat up lines on people who you've already done ;)

Date: 2004-05-18 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplerabbits.livejournal.com
If it's anything like the Pod it's when it looks for things with dates in the 70s or 'Candy' in the tile or whatever. they're dynamic 'cos it adds them as you add tracks to the player...

Date: 2004-05-18 05:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] babysimon
Maybe that's the real meaning of the term. What I meant was just being able to cue tracks up. Bit lame of the iHP to miss that out. Maybe in the next firmware...

Date: 2004-05-18 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-meta.livejournal.com
Makes me wonder how much crossover there is between your CD collection and ours, because I have all ours as 160kbps+ normalized tagged LAME MP3s. Do you have a list of what you lost?

Date: 2004-05-18 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomatron.livejournal.com
How about making a list of what you can remember, and what you'll really miss? You'd probably manage to get a fair bit of it back from your friends. I'd be happy enough to burn a few cds of stuff if I have anything you'd like.

Date: 2004-05-18 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] envoy.livejournal.com
Gaaaah. I'm too far away...

Ooop. On the other hand... I *did* just get a DVD burner...

You should post a list of the stuff that you've lost.

Date: 2004-05-18 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_nicolai_/
What model disk is it?

Date: 2004-05-18 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] conflux.livejournal.com
Just out of interest what make and size was your MP3 player hard drive? It is a long shot that I can get one the same. Also do you know what type of file system it used?

I think all in all it best to assume it has gone though. I keep an old drive that I trashed the FAT16 file system on, but should be able to recover, with the right tools. I now have the right tools, but I've still yet to do it.

Date: 2004-05-18 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pavlos.livejournal.com
No suggestions. I have an iPod and although I think duplicating the data on your computer is a waste, I see the point.

Date: 2004-05-18 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princealbert.livejournal.com
I'd suggest you place the "fritzed" hard drive into a laptop and see. Some laptops are a lot more tolerant of hardrives than others.

Also check out GRC's Spinrite (http://www.grc.com/srrecovery.htm) [grc.com]

-Roy

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