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Have you ever been accused of being part of a clique? Were you? Were you or the other "clique" members doing something unethical, and if so what? Have you seen others behave like a clique in a way that was unethical? What was it about their behaviour that was unethical?

Everyone has preferences about what sort of people they want to be friends with. There's a good chance your friends have preferences more similar to yours than a random member of the population. Thus a circle of friends can form of people whose preferences have common elements.

If you'd like to hang out with that circle, but you don't fit the common preferences, you may feel they are excluding you, and behaving like a clique. This isn't necessarily so; it's an inevitable part of friendship groups forming that not everyone can join.

So what makes a clique different from any other circle of friends? I tried the dictionary without much enlightenment.

My first guess is that you become a clique when being part of the circle makes you feel so special that you don't want *anyone* new to join, no matter how close they are to the sort of people you might like to know, because that reduces the feeling of specialness. However, if the membership of your group can grow as well as shrink, it's less likely to be a clique.

My second guess is that if you're in a situation of forced contact with others, such as a school or workplace, a clique is a group within that forced contact group who get daily or near-daily opportunities to make it clear to outsiders, in a way they cannot avoid, that they are not part of the clique. Thus, if we start to see LiveJournal as a forced-contact situation, we will start to perceive every circle of friends as a clique; it's important to remember that there are a million people on LJ and we each have the power to choose whose journals we read.

It's possible I'm missing something. Please enlighten me!

PS first day of work today, I may not get back to this LJ for a while.

Date: 2003-09-01 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countess-sophia.livejournal.com
I'd say the features that differentiate a clique from a very close group of friends is looking down on those who are not members of the group and behaving rudely, arrogantly or worse to non-members, or being perceived to. A clique is basically defined by how obnoxious the group makes itself to others. People rarely see themselves as being members of a clique...

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Date: 2003-09-01 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplerabbits.livejournal.com
I'd agree with all that. And it may be why you can only really call a group a clique if it's a subset of a larger group, either of friends, or at school or work etc.

Date: 2003-09-01 02:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] djm4
People rarely see themselves as being members of a clique...

An awkward fact that, whle true, often in my experience leads to people crying 'See! You don't think you're a clique, so that proves you are!' Which is not an accusation that it's at all easy to refute, so I tend not to get too stressed about it.

Date: 2003-09-03 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duranorak.livejournal.com
People rarely see themselves as being members of a clique...

But it does happen. At school particularly, people were proud of it and there was even a group that had badges made. I can't imagine many places where it might get as much out of hand as at an all-girls' school, though...But it was fairly harmless, I guess.

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Date: 2003-09-01 02:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] djm4
I'd say the features that differentiate a clique from a very close group of friends is looking down on those who are not members of the group and behaving rudely, arrogantly or worse to non-members, or being perceived to.

I have two problems with this, althought they're a bit nitpicky and I think broadly you're right.

The first is that the 'looking down on' should be being done simply because the other people are not part of the clique, not for any other reason. I'm a rude and arrogant sod a lot of the time, and there are several people outside my circle of friends who I can be pretty rude about because, basically, I think they're shits. I'm rude about them because I think they're shits, and they're not in my circle of friends because I think they're shits, but I don't actually look down on them because they're not in my circle of friends. I don't actually think my circle of friends is a clique, although I accept that others disagree.

Secondly, while I do care how people perceive me and will sometimes go out of my way to change how I appear to alter that perception (not for nothing am I termed 'Chameleon Man', you know), there are limits to what I can do about how people perceive me and my friends. So I don't accept that simply being perceived to be rude, arrogant or the like is sufficient to identify a clique.

Which could be perceived as being pretty rude and arrogant, I suppose, but there you are...

Date: 2003-09-01 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhg.livejournal.com
Quite right.

I myself have felt, rightly or wrongly, quite uncomfortable by lack of appropriate behaviour towards new people on previous occasions.


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