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I finally narrowed the field to a few candidates and mailed my work a comparison chart:

http://hacks.ciphergoth.org/laptop-compare.html

All of them have 256 Mb RAM, a 12.1 inch 1024x768 TFT screen, an Intel PIII-M processor, onboard 56K Winmodem, 2 USB ports, 1 Type II PCMCIA slot, VGA out port, no serial port or floppy drive.

I really want the Portege!

Update: ...but it turns out there aren't any in the UK at all! I just tried all the resellers Toshiba recommends, plus dealtime.co.uk and pricewatch.co.uk, and none of them have them in stock. I just tried Toshiba themselves, and they say they'll contact me when they have them in stock but it could be two to three weeks, which could be a bit problematic. Aargh! If it comes down to the Dell or the IBM, which should I go for? The weight inclines me to the Dell...

Date: 2003-01-20 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marypcb.livejournal.com
you certainly do want the Portege ;-) tell them that's what you're buying...

...

Date: 2003-01-20 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atommickbrane.livejournal.com
I have just realised that your laptop might in fact be of a smaller size than the massive "pocket" calculator that currently resides on my desk...

Mmm. Public sector spending. Mmmm.

I want a laptop. You should tell them that you're such a hard worker that you need one for each hand. And give one to me! ME!!

Date: 2003-01-20 08:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skx.livejournal.com

The portege is nice; but I've always had a softspot for the keyboards on the Thinkpads.

I'm almost of the opinion that the keyboards are the most important parts of laptops, it's certainly been the deciding factor in all the laptops I've had/borrowed/used.

Date: 2003-01-20 08:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] babysimon
IBM have more of a reputation for laptop solidity (maybe that's where the weight goes), but I admit to being in a bit of a mood with Dell ATM...

*Thinks* did IBM ever launch their "butterfly" concept laptop? (that's the one where the keyboard expands sideways as you open it...)

Date: 2003-01-20 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
They did, but they turned out to have reliability problems so they stopped making them...

Date: 2003-01-20 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pavlos.livejournal.com
All of them sound slightly underpowered. Are you sure you can cope with 256MB, inlcuding under Windows?

Pavlos

Date: 2003-01-20 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.com
I've heard better things about Dell laptops than IBM, but not to any great extent. If you can possibly swing it, waiting for the Toshiba would definitely be the best bet...

Date: 2003-01-20 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
The Dell looks a little underpowered - and I agree with Pavlos, you might want more RAM. Also, the Dell battery life is a little minimal, so I'd buy a second battery for it.

Or, in short, "Go for the IBM"...

Date: 2003-01-20 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-meta.livejournal.com
Yeah. By the time you get a second battery for the Dell to make it useful unplugged, it'll weigh as much as the ThinkPad, possibly more.

I've had some horrible Dell experiences, but only with their desktop machines. I've never had a horrible ThinkPad experience, though, and obviously I see a lot of them.

Date: 2003-01-20 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alienspacebat.livejournal.com
One thing with ram, buy256 in the machine if possible. Laptop manufacturers make their money by the 'upgrades' to the basic spec. Ram, they charge 3x street price for. Make sure one sodimm slot is free and it's not something like 128 x2 and go to http://www.crucial.com/uk (http://www.crucial.com/uk) and get another 512mb for around £150. I got my dell with 256 and did just that and now it's a mean spec!

Date: 2003-01-20 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
hmm... what does this mean?
Memory
l Memory (RAM) std/max: 256MB / 1024MB
RAM speed: 133MHz
Optional RAM configuration: 64:128:256:512MB SODIMM
RAM type: PC133 SDRAM
RAM slots total (available): 2 SODIMM (1 SODIMM)
"There's a SODIMM slot free, but you can only put another 256 Mb in it"? Incidentally, Crucial only want GBP94 for another 512 MB!

Date: 2003-01-20 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alienspacebat.livejournal.com
Should be fine, it's a standard memory of 256, and you can have sodimms of sizes 64-512mb giving up to 1gb of ram. The thing is, if you want 1gb, you have to pull out their 256mb and put in two 512mb sodimms. But 768mb should be plenty. Good to see they leave one slot free.

Other thing I thought about is to check the hardware in each for linux compatability. Even if you will mainly be running windows, linux compatible hardware is generally better as it has built in processing rather than using 'soft' functionality on the system processor. In particular, have a look at the XFree86 compatability for the graphics

Date: 2003-01-20 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alienspacebat.livejournal.com
As well as my recent bad experience ordering with dell, I've just heard both my work and university have been having serious problems with poor customer service and order delays. Plus they burn you where it hurts if you choose to use them naked and it was a dell battery that exploded in South Africa. That said, my C640 which I am typing on now is a fantastic machine and I love it. Just a shame that as a company dell have gone downhill. If you need it soon, I wouldnt bother. I was promised 10 days delivery max as an education customer, they then changed this to working days and then it took over a month to arrive.

My second choice when I was looking was Toshiba as I felt the IBMs in the 2ghz range were a little expensive. I do know of thinkpads that have lasted 10 years plus and are still in use running linux. They seem very rugged indeed. The dell C400 which is similar to the one you are looking at was a little plasticy when my dad bought one. The cd drive connects through a docking port that was really unreliable. It's basically one of their internal drives in a slip in plastic case and an extension lead plugged into the connector in the drive unit. As it's an internal connector, there were no locking tabs which has been added to the plastic case and the connector wobbled about 30 degrees total. Not so good.

When I was looking at Toshibas I found the university ordered toshiba from http://www.getech.co.uk/ (http://www.getech.co.uk/). They may have the portege.

Other than that, why the price difference for the ibms? Do you have to pay hundreds more for wireless? Especially when an orinoco gold is only £60, I wouldn't bother with an internal card as the range is severely limited in comparison to external ones. The cheaper IBM seems to have a great battery life too.

If you can persuade work, get an extra battery. Dell have a really cool hot battery swap that you can do in standby without shutdown. I get around 6 hours on my C640 with both batteries. An external wireless card is good, as is an access point for your flat (I recommend the linksys wap11 rev 2 upgraded with the dlink 950+ firmware hack). A nice small optical mouse and a second ac adaptor are handy too.

Hope the info helps


Date: 2003-01-20 08:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] barakta
FWIW

Looking at your choices the Portege does look like the best and what I have seen and heard of Toshiba laptops recently its very nice. My SO has a toshiba from a different range than the portege cos she wanted serial/parallel ports and a bigger keyboard. However in light of availability problems eeek.

I am using an 2 or 3 yr old Dell latitude (CPi A range) and despite it being a lovely machine the SODIMMS are not a standard spacing apart so if I wanted to expand the RAM then I'd have to get expensive kingston RAM which is less wide than a standard SODIMM (grr). You might wanna check that if you're going for the RAM expansion options.

I've run slackware and the knoppix distro of linux on this Dell latitude without problems and once I'd updated the BIOS it worked nicely with PCMCIA stuff... Nice keyboard too.

Trying as many of the keyboards out as you can sounds like a good option. I have used laptops since the mid 90's some with less nice keyboards and it really does make all the difference to its overall usability. I don't recall you having especially large or tiny hands but other factors such as irritating shaped enter keys, badly places cursor keys and how similar the keyboard is to your current/familliar machines is an issue I've come across. Your local PCW (spit) often have laptops on display for the keyboard prodding and its amusing to watch them try to sell things to you as if you're stupid.......

Good luck with machine hunting.

Natalya

Date: 2003-01-21 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] conflux.livejournal.com
My knowledge is 2.5 years out of date now but Dell laptops used to have an extreemly bad reputation for reliability and this proved to be true at my last company. It was usually the kind of fault that said "This wasn't fully tested before being shipped was it?"

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