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Trying to choose a laptop to buy online is an extremely frustrating experience. All of the websites suck. It's just that I know any other source of information will be even worse.

Right now I'm running a recursive wget against Sony's Vaio website so I can look at the specs without having to navigate their insane frame system.

Date: 2003-01-17 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapis-lazuli.livejournal.com
Can't speak for the laptops, but I wouldn't recommend my desktop Vaio to my worst enemy.

Well, maybe.

Date: 2003-01-17 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meirion.livejournal.com
vaios are beautiful ... but i wouldn't recommend them.

they're fragile, and getting them fixed is, i hear, a nightmare. (os nightmare, to be specific; wipe the hard disk and reinstall sony-windows, or they won't touch the machine).

mine's worked for 15 months as my main machine, and i'll be amazed if it lasts the 36 months i expected when i bought it. to be honest, i'm amazed it's still working now, given the build quality.

-m-

Date: 2003-01-17 03:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lovingboth
Yep, and have you seen the warranty Sony gives the batteries? And the cost of replacements?

frustration

Date: 2003-01-17 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countess-sophia.livejournal.com

Have you thought about talking to Malc about this - when it comes to hardware he really is the man who knows...

Soph xxx

Gaah!

Date: 2003-01-18 05:17 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] autopope.livejournal.com
Don't! Buy! A! Vaio!

(If you want the grisly details, buttonhole me at the pub and I'll tell you all about my experiences with two of 'em in succession. Let's just say, Sony's warranty coverage is pure shit -- they refuse to obey the Sale of Goods Act statutory terms and conditions -- and the model number on the machine is no guarantee that the motherboard components are the same from one machine to the next.

I don't like Dell's approach to design -- they build clunky boxes -- but they work pretty well (except when their batteries explode). I have had *good* experiences with Toshiba laptops, although I wouldn't touch one of their lowest end consumer ones. And I have never heard a bad word about an IBM Thinkpad. If I had to buy a new PC laptop tomorrow it would probably be a Toshiba Satellite Pro model. (Of course I'm biased towards being able to run Linux or BSD on the machine and have access to all the hardware bits'n'pieces ...)

Re: Gaah!

Date: 2003-01-20 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] conflux.livejournal.com
Yep, I would like to second all of this.

Date: 2003-01-18 06:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.com
And another 'no no, not a vaio, anything but that' comment. Mine is fortunately property of work and so I don't feel like an idiot for paying out major cash for it, but even so the thing is driving me insane. Sony apparently tweak odds and ends of hardware and never release any specs to the open source community, so all the drivers and utilities are reverse engineered, with the usual patchy success that gives you. Notably, esd locks out really badly when the machine does power-saving stuff. Oh, and mine has got it into its head to always boot up at 20% screen brightness, which is barely enough to see the console and type in the command to set it back to 100% :)

A friend of mine recommends Dell laptops for sheer high spec goodness, but they do tend to be fairly heavy, which as I recall was one of the things you were trying to avoid. They do generally come with higher res screens than equivalently priced offerings from other manufacturers though, which I would find useful.

Date: 2003-01-18 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
I did a bit of looking into laptops a while back - what are you looking for?

And CNet's review section is actually pretty good.

Date: 2003-01-20 05:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marypcb.livejournal.com
really; don't get a Vaio. I write about computers for a living and I would take one as a gift and throw it away before getting technical support. Sony treat computer support like consumer entertainment support; not their problem, the model is obsolete by now. Spares are unbelievably expensive. the looks and nice design features tend not to be worth it. Plus Sony cripples its laptops with low maximum RAM (380 RAM tops in many) plus you lose 8-16Mb of your RAM because they often don't fit separate video RAM and jsut steal from the base RAM. I'd get a Toshiba for preference; cnet (or ZDNet or ZDNet UK - they're all the same) are an excellent source of reviews.

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