Anti-cryonics links

[ciphergoth]

I may not reply to everything in that 159-comment thread but thanks to everyone who participated. I hope people don't mind if I carry on asking for your help in thinking about this. I might post articles on specific areas people raised, but first I thought to ask this: my Google-fu may be failing me. I'd appreciate any links anyone can find to good articles arguing against signing up for cryonics, or pointing out flaws in arguments made for cryosuspension. I don't mean South Park, thanks :-) I'm looking for something that really intends to be persuasive.

thanks again!

Update: here's some I've found

• Ebonmuse, On Cryonics
• Ebonmuse, Who Wants to Live Forever?
• Why we'll never be downloaded
• Why Minds Are Not Like Computers - actually there's quite a lot of scholarly writing arguing that the idea of simulating a brain on a computer is not merely impractical but impossible in principle.
• Michael Shermer on cryonics
• Skeptic's Dictionary on cryonics
• Cryonics–A futile desire for everlasting life
• Quackwatch - Is Cryonics Feasable?
• Ben Best - Debates about Cryonics with Skeptics (Best is President/CEO of the Cryonics Institute, but this is a snapshot of a debate on the James Randi forums, with a link to the original forum debate)
• Frozen Stiffs, Ruth Holland, BMJ 1981

If you find any of these articles at all convincing, let me know and I'll point out the problems with them. Update: while I am definitely interested in continuing to read your arguments, I'm really really keen to know about anyone anywhere on the Internet who seems well-informed on the subject and writes arguing against it. Such people seem to be strikingly few and far between, especially on the specific question of the plausibility of recovery. There's a hypothesis here on why that might be, but I'm not sure it's enough to wholly account for it.

Comments

[uberredfraggle.livejournal.com]

One of my main thoughts is the risk of brain damage. If this patient was incredibly high risk brain damage during this operation surely a complete body suspended long term would be at even higher risk?

I know less than you so I'm just poking around.

Just watching a youtube video on the pros and cons to see if there is anything useful in there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MkCBhEwJNw

[uberredfraggle.livejournal.com]

One point in this video that comes up was in a study of 9 embryos 4 didn't survive. Obviously doing this on embryos and fully grown humans is completely different but I thought it was an interesting point.

Googling 'cryo suspension pros cons' came up with a few results. :)

[ciphergoth.livejournal.com]

Googling 'cryo suspension pros cons' came up with a few results. :)

Couldn't find any good ones in that list, any you'd like to draw my attention to?

[uberredfraggle.livejournal.com]

Well there is the video. I just skim read them i'm afraid. I'm still watching the video now as it's slow to load.

Are there any specific areas of the cons you want to read about. I've goggled for the brain damage side but are there specific points other brought up?

[uberredfraggle.livejournal.com]

Another couple of links I just found....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPCGMYmQjw

http://frozenbook.com/