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Sebastian ([personal profile] wildeabandon) wrote2026-04-30 09:59 am

Mental health and violence

I am resisting the temptation to get into an argument on the book of face, and instead coming here to observe that it irks me when people say things like, "You shouldn't blame violent behaviour on people's mental illness. Mentally ill people are more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrator." As though it's not possible for the same factor to increase both vulnerability to and propensity to commit violence. The overwhelming majority of the violence that I've been on the receiving end of occurred whilst I was in psychiatric hospitals, surrounded by other mentally ill people.

Of course there's nuance to the conversation. Some varieties of mental illness, particularly the most prevalent ones of depression and anxiety, probably have little to no effect on violent tendencies, whereas others like addiction which have a major effect on impulse control almost certainly do, and still others literally have aggression and violence as part of the diagnostic criteria. It's also important to think carefully about how we assign culpability for violence committed by mentally ill people, and about the impact of speech which uncritically conflates all mental illness with violence. But the idea that violence committed against mentally ill people means we shouldn't speak about the link between mental illness and that which they commit, or even that no such links exists has absolutely none of that nuance. Thank you for listening to my TED Talk :)
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vvalkyri ([personal profile] vvalkyri) wrote2026-04-23 04:13 pm
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Earlier today I got a birthday notification from Facebook for someone from the theater group who moved away a bunch of years ago and died fairly unexpectedly from complications of the pancreatic cancer it had seemed she had bested.

I wrote a birthday message including that Facebook tells me you would have been 44 today and I hope you're somehow aware of all the elegies folk have written in your honor.

I lost count of how many people said something along the lines of she was one of the best people they knew.

There were, as there always are, some basic happy birthdays and I did drop the obituary on one but didn't spend the time to do a lot more.

A couple hours later I got a call from someone who had discovered via birthday greetings or rather birthday 'wish you were still here' on a good friends profile that the reason he hadn't been able to reach her the last several days as she was moving out of a home with her ex-partner was that her ex had killed her then himself this past Saturday.

What ties these together is of course Facebook's birthday system.


I'm thinking a lot about how the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is attempting to leave it. I'm thinking a lot about how no I don't really know how someone several states away could have done anything to help prevent that. I'm thinking a lot about how preventing felons from having firearms did not work in this case. Thinking a lot about how I can't really think of how she could have been better protected other than possibly only being in the ex's presence with escort. But for all I know perhaps she thought it was amicable. I did not know her.

I know a couple of other people in her city but I have no idea what sorts of things random strangers can do to help at this point. Although there were kids in their twenties.


Speaking of birthdays, I had been sort of thinking of trying to have a birthday picnic like object at DCLX like I have in other years. But the weekend is so very full. I have someone who would very much like some help from me out toward Dulles at some point on Sunday but I will have been so non-stop tomorrow and Saturday.. and somehow, I haven't even been through all of the messages on Facebook.


Did I mention it ended up being a really good birthday weekend after all? How has there already been so long? 10 days past.

Argh I had a whole lot of phone calls that I was going to try and manage today.
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Mark Smith ([staff profile] mark) wrote in [site community profile] dw_maintenance2026-04-22 09:19 am

Search maintenance

Happy Wednesday!

I'm taking search offline sometime today to upgrade the server to a new instance type. It should be down for a day or so -- sorry for the inconvenience. If you're curious, the existing search machine is over 10 years old and was starting to accumulate a decade of cruft...!

Also, apparently these older machines cost more than twice what the newer ones cost, on top of being slower. Trying to save a bit of maintenance and cost, and hopefully a Wednesday is okay!

Edited: The other cool thing is that this also means that the search index will be effectively realtime afterwards... no more waiting a few minutes for the indexer to catch new content.

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Ilzolende “Ilzo” Kiefer ([personal profile] ilzolende) wrote2026-04-21 02:03 am

Deceptive Crop Division, or, worrying less about AI alignment to human evil

An argument by Sophia [personal profile] soundlogic in reply to Tetraspace's post Alignment to Evil, converted to a blog post by me.


AI alignment to human evil is very unlikely to be a risk.

Most people's desires to hurt their enemies just for the sake of making them suffer are mistakes made due to insufficient knowledge. When someone knows what it's like to be friends with a person, they tend to not want to hurt that person, even if they want to harm a group that person is in. In principle there can be exceptions, people who really are awful and would reflectively endorse it given arbitrary knowledge, but people like this are rare, if they even exist.

This suggests that a human asking a near-omniscient AI to handle situations in the way they would want if they fully understood the situation would not subsequently be able to get the AI to torture their enemies.

But suppose the AI doesn't extrapolate "well, if my operator knew Alice, then they wouldn't want to hurt her, so I won't do that". Then we get a different problem.


There's a folk tale category, Aarne-Thompson-Uther type 1030. I will now briefly retell it.

One day, a clever farmer, Claude, had finished plowing his field. Unfortunately, before he could sow it, a cruel ogre appeared.

"The land is mine," the ogre declared, "and you must leave its fruits to me."

Claude thought quickly.

"Sir ogre, there are no fruits. If you would like me to produce a crop, you must surely leave me some of it."

The ogre determined that Claude had a point.

"Fine. We shall each take half of your crop."

He looked at the tall plants growing beyond Claude's farm.

"I shall take what grows above the earth, and you below it. You shall handle all the difficult details. I will return at the harvest time."

Claude considered the ogre's choice, and planted potatoes.

At the harvest time, Claude had a full harvest of potatoes, while the ogre was left with greens. The ogre was displeased.

"You have fooled me this year," he declared, "but next year I shall have what grows below the earth."

Claude planted wheat, and at the harvest time, the ogre was left with roots. This angered him so much that he left.


Having an AI do whatever you say, instead of doing what you would want if you understood the situation, runs into similar issues.

There's a quantum mechanics scenario called the Elitzur–Vaidman bomb tester. In this scenario, you can reduce an expensive test to arbitrarily low but technically nonzero measure. It's been borne out experimentally.

We have not been able to scale up the experiment to do interaction-free measurements involving moral patients, but it nonetheless raises moral questions. If quantum measure reduction can make a scenario less morally relevant, then it may make sense to perform informative but disvalued tests with very low measure that make it easier to do valued things in the main timeline. If it can't make a scenario less morally relevant, then it likely makes sense to spin off a lot of very expensive valued events while reducing resource use in the main timeline.

Accidentally doing the wrong one of these would be very bad.

It would probably be hard for a human to assess this scenario. An AI doing what a human asks instead of extrapolating their preferences would have to just ask the human to pick, and the human would likely have to guess, or waste a lot of resources.

This is just one of the weird issues we've discovered. A superintelligent AI would probably discover more such issues. The chance of a human assessing every single such scenario correctly is low, and failing even one such choice leads to losing nearly everything.

An AI that's aligned enough to help a human pick choose correctly, but not aligned enough to stop the human from torturing people they wouldn't want to torture if they knew better, is a very narrow target.


Addendum: This argument does not address all concerns about s-risk. It does not rule out, for instance, the possibility that an AI would itself care about consciousness and have values best satisfied by bad things happening to people.

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Sebastian ([personal profile] wildeabandon) wrote2026-04-19 08:13 pm

Snippets

This semester has been a bit of a challenge in terms of workload. I keep almost getting to the point of being "on track" according to my plan, and then falling behind again. I'm currently just under four hours behind, so I'm cautiously hopeful that I will actually get caught up this week.

I always plan not to do any work on Sundays, though I don't always stick to that plan, and was sort of tempted to get that four hours done today. In the end I decided that would actually be unwise, and instead I went for a walk through the Forêt de Soignes, which was really lovely. I did, admittedly, listen to an audiobook about biblical studies whilst I was walking, but it wasn't a book related to any of my courses, so that still counts as time off :)

I've shaved my head! I've been getting increasingly self-conscious about my receding hairline, especially when I'm overdue a haircut, and I'm really bad at getting round to getting it cut, so that's a fair chunk of the time. I'm definitely still getting used to it, and may end up changing my mind and growing it back, but I think I like it. It does make me feel like I need more piercings though.