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Paul Crowley ([personal profile] ciphergoth) wrote2008-08-03 11:03 am
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Ask an atheist

In a discussion about religion in [livejournal.com profile] wildeabandon's journal, [livejournal.com profile] meihua writes: "this seems to have turned into me interrogating you. [...] Is there anything you'd like to challenge me on, instead?"

I think it's only fair enough to open up my own beliefs to the challenges of others, since I'm always keen to respond when theists invite me to give my perspective on some aspect of their beliefs as [livejournal.com profile] wildeabandon has in a series of recent posts. So, is there anything you'd like me to respond to?

Rules:
  • You don't have to read this thread. This post is an invitation, not a challenge; if you don't like to read me talking about this then feel free to skip this.
  • Be honest. Please don't advance arguments you don't personally buy, unless you're also an atheist and you want to discuss how best to counter it.
  • If you come to change your mind about the validity of an argument, think about how you can generalise the lesson learned so as not to misassess similar arguments in future.
  • Don't just match the politeness of what you reply to, but try to exceed it - see Postel's Law. Otherwise it is very easy to end up with a thread where each contributor thinks they are merely matching the snark level of the other, and yet the thread starts with the very slightest suggestion of rudeness and finishes with "please choke on a bucket of cocks".

Re: atheism and morality

[identity profile] wight1984.livejournal.com 2008-08-04 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
Rational moral discourse is still possible as long as both parties agree on the same basic moral values. There's still a lot to discuss about how those values are best put into practice.

A discussion about whether lying is immoral can happen rationally between two people who believe that morality is all about protecting other people's happiness but perhaps not between one person that believes such and a person who believes lying is immoral in itself.

Re: atheism and morality

[identity profile] palmer1984.livejournal.com 2008-08-04 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed :)